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A stroll down memory lane ...
remembering Vegas Conventions of years past

It’s that time of year again, when the shopping center industry takes over Vegas with high aspirations of making a fortune, either at the convention or the tables. I always get nostalgic the week or so before the show. Remembering the old days, when the convention hall was much smaller, the crowds not as big, and I knew most of the people in attendance. I was about 20 at my first show and even though it was a simpler time, the show was still overwhelming. A lot of the twenty-something crowd I hung with then are now running their families’ companies (the fathers just show up at the office and on occasion do battle with their sons or daughters about philosophical differences, but for the most part the kids are running things from day to day). Back then, we could stay out until 6:00 a.m. playing, then race back to the hotel to shower, dress and still make it to a 7:30 a.m. breakfast meeting and do it three days in a row with little or no sleep. We looked forward to Vegas as much as a place to have fun as we hoped it to be an opportunity to make a deal. Hopefully, we all still expect to have a good time, but for most of us staying out all night isn’t humanly possible three days in a row. Of course, back then none of us really knew what we were doing and although no one likes to admit it, we took our share of dress downs from our fathers and mentors as we made mistakes along the way, in exchange for a chance to play hard.

I started out as the gopher at Ted’s company. He didn’t call me a gopher, but that’s what I did for my first year. Then I exalted to the position of selling ad space for his start up (now called The Dealmakers and in our 22nd year). Next I moved on to leasing distressed shopping centers and I loved it. Everyday was a new ball game, I flew all over the country, earned my masters degree in the school of hard knocks and watched some of the most intriguing negotiations. At one lease negotiation, I saw a grown man pull down his pants and show his backside to the leasing agent and say “if you kiss this, I’ll do the deal at your numbers.” (I can’t remember if the deal got done, but I assure you no one was puckering up). These weren’t really negotiations, it was a room full of crazy people on a rant. (Now, if a guy did that in a meeting today, someone would be filing a sexual harassment suit.) Back then, often women were hired based on the size of their assets, rather than their business acumen. I remember at one meeting with a retailer, Ted and I were trying to lease a huge space and the real estate guy for a 200,000 sq.ft. department-store chain put his hand on my knee and said something to the effect of “and do you come with the deal,” (a common attitude in those days), but I have to give Ted credit, he got up from his chair and said the meeting was over. Less of this kind of nonsense goes on now, thank goodness. Then, I moved on to the sale of centers, another extremely interesting side of the business. The first account I ever worked on in the sale of a center was for a bank in desperate need of moving some REOs off their balance sheet. That’s when I learned about dotting every “I” and crossing every “T” with the presentation and paperwork. This bank eventually hired us to manage some of their more difficult centers, so having face-to-face meetings with bitter tenants that hadn’t seen a profit in a while became part of my job. Collecting rent in a problem project isn’t much fun, but my skin got thicker. Then I took over as publisher for The Dealmakers. My latest career choice definitely gives me a better ability to look at what’s happening in the industry from a more objective point of view.

The shopping center industry has become influenced by many more factors now. Back then Wall Street wasn’t a major concern, since financing usually was done with a local bank. Proformas were flexible and towns didn’t tell you how to build a center, since the methodology to creating cash flow was to get as much as you can and cities needed rateables. Retailers didn’t have committee meetings once a month. When the real estate guy found a good deal he just walked down the hall and discussed it with the owner of the chain. Often, stores were opened before the lease was signed and built out from drawings on a stained napkin. It was fairly easy to get a loan, especially if you signed personally and it didn’t matter that your net worth was less than a $1.98. Retailers made deals based on projected sales volumes, not because of a quota to open a certain number of stores. Landlords really cared about tenant mix and would rather miss a mortgage payment than put two nail salons in their center. Decisions got made quickly, people returned phone calls and the industry grew.

Today, the number of companies serving the shopping center industry is at an all time high. Sometimes, I wonder if we really do make more deals industry-wide today than we did two decades ago, or is it just that we have so many more layers and hurdles to jump through than ever before. In 2002, it is more difficult to get approvals from towns on new centers, retailers are moving slower in signing leases, financial institutions aren’t madly in love with the retail sector and builders, lawyers, architects, engineers and disposition specialists are getting more active in the shopping center side of real estate. Brokers are prolific, but not enough have the heart of a developer or the head of a retailer. There are still some old fashioned deal junkie brokers, retailers and developers around. I call them deal junkies because they relish negotiations and like to prove “it’s their way or the highway.” Management companies have changed a lot in the past years. They used to make their money off of leasing commissions and earned a low management fee in exchange for the exclusive to lease or sell the center. Today, quite often management companies make their revenue stream off of fees for processing paperwork rather than their leasing abilities. Wall Street’s influence on our industry is becoming more obvious everyday. The good of it being, some retailers were allowed to grow rapidly and maintained course, while on the flip side others foundered or are teetering due to over growth and customer fatigue.

We haven’t seen a surge in new concepts since the inception of the power center, super store and big-box tenant. The industry has seen its spin-offs, such as outlet, value, off-price, entertainment and tourist centers, home and auto-themed tenant mixes and that ever popular mini mall. Unfortunately, none of these concepts really took off in a major way. Most of the entertainment-anchored centers have taken a beating and had to shore up the tenant mix with more traditional retail stores. Retailers are having a hard time coming up with new formats. Gap came out with Old Navy, and now neither are looking too sweet. Target hasn’t really grown its Greatland concept. Wal*Mart hasn’t cannibalized the supermarket business, yet. Home Depot hasn’t mastered its Expo Design for a rapid rollout. However, TJX still seems to be pushing its new concepts.

There are new concepts, you just have to look harder. In this issue, we’ve reported on several new chains sprouting up serving the preteen and teen girls market. Plus, there are retailers wanting thousands of new sites in this week’s edition. I’m certain, if you look hard, talk to every Joe you see on the convention floor in Vegas and read this issue from cover to cover that you’ll find that lead to make the convention worth more than you ever dreamed. Make sure you stop by and see us in Vegas, we’re at 667 Sixth Avenue. Come to our Beer Blast too. It’s on Monday in our booth at 4:30 p.m. Hopefully, in 20 years I’ll be writing that this year’s convention was the best. Until next month,



Ann O’Neal, Publisher